And there are blokes there, for a whole range of reasons, who are trying to make sense of their lives again and who are disconnected from their families. No one knew that at that stage. And that brings with it a whole bunch of other issues as well. [9][10][11][12], In June 2014 at the Old Bailey, Coulson was found guilty of a charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails (phone-hacking). Ask away. Ive really enjoyed it, but the process is that Im asking a whole bunch of really interesting people to share their stories and I just got to the end of the first series and it didnt seem very fair, frankly, that I hadnt put myself through the same process. Various media stories estimated his salary at between 275,000[26] and 475,000; the party indicated the latter figure was "inaccurate" and that his salary was "substantially less" but refused to provide an exact figure. And what I understood quite quickly is that theres two routes to violence in prison. The paper was told to pay Driscoll 800,000. [2], Coulson started work at 18 as a junior reporter on the Basildon Echo in 1986. Its hopeless. He hired Dominic Mohan, who was later promoted to editor. Its a wine called Chateau Musar and its from the Lebanon and I chose it because it is really tasty and also because it is liquid proof that there is good to come from crisis, given where this wine is made. Jane: Do I get one of those for doing this? Because I read at one point that youd been pushed down the stairs. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. I think, as you say, if she had decided enough was enough I dont think there is anyone who would have blamed her for it. Thats why I resigned from the News of the World and then when I was in Downing Street, Im there thinking how on Earth can I do this job? And I could equally say, why on Earth did you do that, Andy? Colton came . Dead reporter's brother at inquiry. It was that sort of combination of mind-numbing boredom, an awful lot of frustration because I was told that I would be in Belmarsh for a couple of days and then Id be categorised, given the nature of my conviction, be categorised as a D-Cat pretty swiftly, and then Id be off to an open prison. "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. David Cameron's former spin doctor Andy Coulson was among seven people in court earlier charged in connection with the phone hacking scandal. I wasnt concerned because obviously it wasnt true, so I wasnt troubled by that, but I knew that my family would have read it. I was treated perfectly decently and fairly but its just something that you think to yourself, I cant quite believe this is happening to me. I think it probably did. What was that like? The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. You try and work out what you can take into prison and what you cant. So even though Id spent eight and a half months in the Old Bailey in a trial, knowing that that was a possibility, sat in a dock for the large part, theres a padded green door on your left that you know goes to the cells and theres the exit on the right, although Id spent all that time wondering am I going to go left or right, when you hear the word guilty you know full well that youre going to be going left. During that time Andy faced three criminal trials. Jane: And I was going to say, in hindsight would you have taken that job? You pull up and the gates open and you know youre going to prison, youre in no doubt that youre going to prison. I got told by a couple of prison guards, because I chatted to everyone, again, its the journalist in me, I had lots of conversations with other prisoners and with prison guards, prison officers and two of them actually told me, Youre just being put to the bottom of the pile, Andy. In the same way, Jane, that I hope that people will not judge me entirely on my mistakes, Im not going to judge other people entirely on their mistakes. Andy Coulson. I felt it was a bit on the steep side but it was within the parameters, so its up to the judge, the sentencing in technical terms. [4][5] The overall impact from his tenure came to be known as the "Coulson effect". [42] Coulson has denied these latest claims. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP Belmarsh. And Eloise, who is a considerably more evolved human being than I am, knew that long before I did and shes trained me well in that regard. And then before you know it youre back in court with a suitcase, waiting to find out how long youre going to go to prison for. Nobody there wanted me to go. Jane: And they take all of your clothes away, I assume? I saw him in January. The second, I think, would be music, which has also been incredibly important for me and for the family. Former government director of communications and News of the World. Jane: I wanted to talk about Eloise now. Which do you think it was? Andy Coulson, the British prime minister's former communications chief, has been arrested by detectives investigating allegations of phone hacking at the Sunday tabloid, the News of the World . He commented about the News of the World allegations "I stand by what I've said about those events but when the spokesman needs a spokesman it's time to move on. It taught me that I consider myself to be a reasonably good friend but I think I could have been better, so I think it taught me to be a better friend. The judge added that it was for him, and not the jury, to decide on this aspect of the case and that the Crown's legal submissions had failed to satisfy him that Coulson's evidence had been sufficiently relevant to the Sheridan trial. The way I choose to deal with it and the way Ive chosen to deal with it is be positive and go and build a business and employ some brilliant people, which I now do and go and work with a fantastic set of clients, which I do. [18] On 3 June 2015, he was cleared of those perjury charges, since, if he had lied, it would not have been relevant to the outcome. Were going to put you to work. Im a big believer in counselling and therapy and that has helped me enormously, I have to say. And when you see young men being separated from their families in that way, it is profoundly depressing. To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. In fact, there was a feeling that I may never get out until those trials were over. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. Jane: Lets just backtrack a bit there. He was scheduled to stand trial in April 2015 but the trial was postponed to 11 May 2015 because of the general election. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. [13] He was sentenced on 4 July 2014 to 18 months in prison. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. And before I knew it, much sooner than I thought, there was sun coming through the windows and then, again, it sounds strange, I suspect, to some people, but I just found the whole thing so utterly absurd. Hacked Celebrity VoicmailsWhose voicemails has Jorg Coulson been hacking into this week? The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. Andy, hello. My biggest regret was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons come and visit me in Belmarsh". Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. It was an amazing place to be and it was fascinating and rewarding and I was reasonably good it and I loved my colleagues. In 2005 at the age of 16, Patrick Collison was the recipient of the 41 st Young Scientist of the Year for his work with Lisp. We built a brilliant team, we had the coalition. [18], On 1 June 2015, the judge, Lord Burns, acquitted Coulson. And it was, it was a much better regime. [46][47], He was a witness in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan, where he denied under oath that he had any knowledge of phone hacking at the News of the World, or that he knew Glenn Mulcaire, the private detective at the centre of controversy. But the net result of all that stuff that happened over the course of five years or more has definitely made us stronger as a family. Former News of the World editor Rebekah Brooks had an affair with former News of the World editor Andy Coulsonboth of whom are pasty, married to other people, and currently on trial for. And the reason that Ive been able to, its been a long time since I came out of prison and the reason Ive been able to get back on my feet, Ive got a reasonably successful business now and Ive got some fantastic clients and colleagues, life is pretty good, and that is in large part due to her. There were a lot of agendas being played. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP. And I said, look Im going to do this for a while, I think its fascinating, I think it will be an amazing achievement to try and help him get into Number 10, but Im not going to stay. Andy: Oh, quite a lot. I made my case but I obviously didnt succeed with the jury. Jane: So, you pitch up at Category A prison HMP Belmarsh. In 1988, he moved to The Sun, working with Piers Morgan on the showbiz column Bizarre. Actually, the most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy? Not that I was ever an MP. I guess well talk about that in a bit more detail. And then the third thing would be what I actually send to every podcast guest, when its appropriate to do so. Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. And it was over 20 years of my life, Jane, as you know. Dont try and solve it all. And the only way to deal with it was to take one at a time and that is another common theme that has been coming out in these podcasts, that when you are in crisis, dont try and take control of everything. There were elements of my crisis that were entirely self-inflicted. And so invariably youre stood behind another prisoner as he makes his call and the amount of times that that prisoner would then turn away from the phone with tears streaming down his face was frequent. And I just thought to myself, how the hell did I end up here? And thats, on any level, regardless of what that persons story might be, thats just sad. Was there ever a point through all of this, the trial or prison or any of it, that you cried? I think that we are all stronger for it. The problem was that I wasnt being categorised and I was told categorically, youre not going to get categorised. The judge actually criticised the timing of the statement and said he was unsure whether it was out of ignorance or deliberate. Andy: Yeah, it is, it is hard. I have to say, everyone through that process, the prison officers down in the cells at the Old Bailey, could not have been, frankly, more friendly. Entirely self-inflicted, entirely my fault. Very hard to get it down to 10 songs, let alone get it down to one, but I think if I had to choose one it would be Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard, which is a bit of a family anthem. Obviously, I knew nothing about it other than the fact that it was a D-Cat and therefore would be better than where I was. Its an unnatural thing to do to relive your life and, by the way, if all you are doing is reliving your life through a negative prism, its a fundamentally unhealthy thing to do. For me and for Eloise, ask us honestly, was this the worst thing that ever happened to us? And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. Ask me where all the bad decisions are and there are quite a few, you might argue thats one of them. There were some fights, but never anything directed at me and nothing that caused me to feel scared in Belmarsh and certainly not when I got to Hollesley Bay, which was a different regime altogether. [40] Cameron, though, defended Coulson on the morning of 9 July: "I believe in giving people a second chance. Its that judgement thing again, you know. I think there are people who probably think that the door should have been locked forever. Business City Spy: PR Week unveils its top spinners of the year. [15], Coulson was also tried over charges that he committed perjury in the evidence he gave in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan in 2010. I think thats probably about right and so I have no issue with other peoples views about me. [50], Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30am on 8 July 2011. That was a good moment for us because we were then very clear that this was not about me becoming chums, this was about me being a professional advisor to him and him taking that advice seriously and the relationship on that basis went forward. Andy Coulson, the former newspaper editor and Downing Street spokesperson jailed on phone hacking charges, revealed that he has built a new career as a crisis strategy consultant - and "business. [20], He became deputy editor of the News of the World, the Sunday sister paper of The Sun, in 2000. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . "[41], On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". Theres a door that youre going to go through. Andy: Well Belmarsh is also a building thats out of central casting, if I can put it that way. And there was a bit of joshing as well, particularly with prison officers when I would kind of complain about the process or I would ask the question, Why am I still here when I think I should have been categorised by now? and Id get a wry look that says, Well Tory cuts, Andy.' View the profiles of professionals named "Andy Coulson" on LinkedIn. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. Jane: So how did you find out, or when did you find out that you were being moved? Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) [2] [3] is an English journalist and political strategist. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. Coulson's parents moved from their Basildon council house to nearby Wickford during his childhood. And I talked them through it and I explained that Id been found guilty and that Id be going to a prison and then Id be moved at some point to an open prison and then they could come and see me. I mean, there were lots of theories at the time. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. Andy: Well because Belmarsh is a high-security prison for a reason. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. I just wish that it hadnt happened. 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