I want you to have that fly CD. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, walked into Columbine High School with shotguns, automatic weapons, and homemade pipe . These things outweighed their concerns about him. "Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting". [quote]Am I supposed to be impressed by dates, VOTN? I am certain that Sue no longer lives there but she still does visit the house as two Columbiners took a Columbine/E &D tour" in Jan .or Feb and saw Sue outside the house as they drove by. Or is your tiny mind only capable of two viewpoints? Everyone ones there to be one systemic cause, one thing that failed, to point to and say "there, that's why this happened." By Eun Kyung Kim. When someone is in a store, that is not their own private property. He lays bare the callous brutality of mastermind Eric Harris and the quavering, suicidal Dylan Klebold, who went to the prom three days earlier and obsessed about love in his journal. "This was murder," he said. She behaves as if it is normal, as if she doesn't even hear it. I can't help it. (Video) My son was a Columbine shooter. - You're all over this shit aren't ya? Of course there is no formula for determining whether someone will turn out to be a school shooter, but I definitely agree with the sentiment that it is important to look at how these things happen. Yes, it's the fifth anniversary of when you met your partner and you go out to dinner and somebody's child is relentlessly screaming throughout dinner that's fine. Press J to jump to the feed. Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . Why does anyone think that parents know or care what their children do? Don't believe me? If they had even one shred of decency they would have taken full responsibility for creating and shaping and not monitoring these monsters. You have no right to disrupt someone else's place of business. [quote]I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter. He still was the boy his parents joked seemed to be on autopilot (p. 65), but Sue notes that this may have been particularly dangerous in his case. While I was able to share the manner by which she communicated her ideas and insights, I wasnt able to actually share those insights and ideas. I'm not saying that there's no guilt, no responsibility, because no matter how our brains are wired, we're all creatures of free will and able to make moral choices, but to lay everything at the feet of society, or the parents, or the school, is way, way too simple. Dylan also writes in his journal that. i cannot remember nor can i find the source for this but im half certain its in his interview in the 11k. In a video-diary-style recording, Dylan stated his parents had been good to him. The interview is set to air on "20/20" this Friday, coinciding with . Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I can handle them "spending too much time on the killers", but unfortunately I recognize there are too many whackjobs in this country who would just see it as glorification. IE 11 is not supported. [quote]But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. VERIFY: In the past 20 years did the majority of mass shooters take psychotropic drugs? The two would . Just know I'm going to a better place. What kind of parent lets their kid have a swastika prominently displayed in their room (as just one of many, many signs that their offspring had problems)? Sue Klebold, whose son Dylan, 17, went on a shooting rampage with his friend Eric Harris, 18, at their high school in Colorado in 1999, . Now everybody expects the schools to fix everything for them. As much as it sucked I knew deep down that it was just a stage and that it wasn't real. Dylan was also drinking at the end of his life, likely complicating his mental health issues, though had once said that marijuana was a waste of time and so perhaps wasnt involved in drugs. "How do you teach someone to have emotions or empathy?". Maybe he needs to go home. He felt a need to be in control. Dylan says people will note the date and time when watching it. Are any of Robert Hare's books of interest, if you know? As the mother of Columbine High School shooter Dylan Klebold prepares to speak out in her first interview since the gruesome 1999 shooting massacre, a survivor of the attacks has . I shudder to think what kind of excuses you make for YOUR spawn's horrific behavior, R62. I believe the parents both left the Columbine area, and possibly the state of Colorado. its hard to take anything a grieving parents says objectively and we can of course have compassionate understanding for that but also realise it may differ from the reality of the situation, which must be painful. There will always be apologists for the Harris parents who incredibly state that parents have no control over their children. The Columbine story was recently remade, with some editorial changes, as The Hottie and the Nottie starring Paris Hilton. After I wrote a column a few weeks ago about the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School, I got e-mail from Tom Klebold, the father of Dylan Klebold, one of the . I just don't know how something that is so basic as how the brain works is something that can be treated with therapy. It's far more complicated than a matter of discipline. "This is my (completely layman's) opinion, but I've always figured that we have more or less tamped down the "How" of the brain, but we're still working on the "Why" of the brain.". How can you not hear your child scream? 18 year old son of Wayne Nelson Harris and Katherine (Kathy) Ann [Pool] Harris. When I was in high school, my mother knew everyone I went, who I associated with, what I read, what I had my room, etc. Their teenage son, along with his classmate Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999. Any pix of the monster creators? Now, she spends her time advocating for suicide prevention and mental health services. "In the very . we only know so much and there have probably been incidents we dont know about. Eric Harris was 17 and a hottie. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 13 people on April 20, 1999, before taking their own lives. They may show cruelty to animals, or alternatively a high degree of affection or attachment to animals. Kids do know about their frineds. Im looking for possible warning signs of trouble between these two individuals and their father-son relationship. so it seems that they had a pretty solid relationship from what has been released. Outside Dylans journals, most of the information Sue got about Dylans frame of mind for the shootings came from a series of videotapes he and Eric had secretly made together. Gotta go. What happened to them? "If a person was denying it, he would say, 'One of . Eric Harris was quite the hottie, I don't understand why he had to go and kill himself. At the same time, the father must have believed that his son's future was still bright. Join date : 2014-02-11. She hyped it up as a must see and an insight to what really happened. "So we're back to Pavlov and Skinner. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most serial killers/mass murderers had excessive discipline rather than lenient upbringings. Over time, they became increasingly close, hanging out by often going out bowling, carpooling and playing the video game Doom over a private server connected to their personal computers. He deflates a lot of myths surrounding the event. I'm sure they still live in Columbine and are active in many community functions, especially the PTA. Talking about the home video they took of that day, Its absolutely stunning how normal Dylan seems (p. 235). Psycrotrenic, charter member of the International Reb&Vodka fan club. In this case, the other shooter played a pivotal role in stoking Dylans rage and allowing him to break out of his own passivity and actually take steps toward the suicide he craved. We relate. Wayne & Kathy Harris' son is widely seen as the . He has always been excessively cruel to animals (he even shot and killed his own dog because it barked), obsessed with weapons, "charmingly" manipulative of adults, a pathological liar, disdainful of other people and abusive to them and VERY quick to anger. After college, the couple married and settled in the Denver area. They haff come here to haff a nice dinner und a nice time. Read a little more about the case, R28. New York: Crown. Brookscolumn did not say when and where the interview took place. I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. I can't believe Oprah canceled her Columbine show today. Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? Sue (as both she and her son share the same surname, Im going to refer to them by their first names for the sake of clarity) begins by emphasizing that she and her husband, Tom, truly had no idea what Dylan was planning. His parents were Wayne Harris and his wife Katherine Ann Poole. It may have hurt him. He injured 2 students before his gun jammed and he was arrested. Very exciting though, the progress we've made. GOLDEN, Colo. (AP) _ Less than three months before his deadly rampage at Columbine High School, Dylan Klebold was described by a probation officer as intelligent and capable of making any dream happen, according to juvenile records made public Friday. That's not contrition, it's a final fuck you to the world. Too bad. Tom is a geophysicist, Sue works with handicapped people. Guns and weapons? The Klebolds stayed, at least as of 2004. Coni Sanders, whose father, Dave Sanders, a . You teach people to manage their condition. I think he was broken over the loss of his son, and wants to remember the boy Dylan was and not the murder he became? When you think about it, in his journals he didn't have too much positive to say across the board. Other way around. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Dylan ended the shooting which saw 13 . "I just don't know how something that is so basic as how the brain works is something that can be treated with therapy.". The perpetrator often has faced peer or social rejection, endured bullying, has anger about the bullying, and lacks the social or coping skills to deal with these issues. She also spent a lot of time conferencing with my teachers to know how well I was doing in school and she was interested in my assignments. I encourage you to study the footage and reach out to others in the comments. Think of kids who commit suicide - often you hear their family say, "We had no idea." I wanted a contribution to help us understand why it happened, so that it would never happen again. I seem to remember them being called "fag.". Sociopaths are born, but people who remain sociopaths as they age: either missed puberty; or had bad parents. ", Dylan: (sticks his face in the camera) "Goodbye. Im going to start by reviewing what Bartol & Bartol (2017) have to say about school shooters (and shootings) as a group, though they also state there is no single school shooter profile. My own experience is that my gifted teacher dragged me out of sporting events because they weren't academic enough, encouraged my teachers to assign me extra work that the other kids didn't do, and basically didn't understand teenagers, high school, or what it was like to be ostracized at all. x93Thatx94 happened to x93themx94 because they were bad parents, we could tell ourselves. The half-Jewish Dylan Klebold is more of a cipher. Then Oprah asked if they ever reached out to them or spoke to their parents - not one of them had done a thing. Sorry. He started getting in trouble, and complained of how certain groups of kids were ruthless bullies, yet the school did nothing to stop them. x93There is no comfort for parents here,x94 Cullen told me yesterday. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. -- b. From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. A few weeks ago, I reviewed Sue Klebolds memoir A Mothers Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy, about her experience as the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine High School shooters. But Sue and her husband didnt know what the signs they were seeing meant. "However, there is credible, tangible, measurable, and repeatable evidence that there are some people, for whatever reason, have their brains wired differently.". This was murder, he said. But they confess that in the main, they have no explanation. They weren't bullied, and they weren't outcasts; all of that came from the non-stop media echo chamber that followed the events. These are all great examples of Tom's relationship with Dylan. That's the first thing. As I often do, Ill leave the author the last word on why understanding the process her son went through is important: Dylan was vulnerable in many ways unquestionably emotionally immature, depressed, possibly suffering from a more serious mood or personality disorder. It's still about management. It Always seems like he didn't give a damn about them, in his writings and in the Basement Tapes. [] Asking why only makes us feel hopeless. Children learn psychopathy from their parents (e.g., the Bushes). These incidents happen because the majority of people choose to look the other way if a kid seems a little off. He had been in a gifted child program, and you'd think they'd have some type of monitoring since kids who are that advanced frequently have problems. Victim's parents reactThe Klebolds comments was criticized late Saturday by some of the victims parents. Just three days before the shooting, he went to prom with a friend. Great job! IIRC, they both had psychiatric attention. I think he suffered horribly before he died, Susan Klebold said. 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. Harris parents, Wayne and Kathy Harris, have never spoken to reporters. I have cousins who did shit like this - what was I supposed to do, call the cops and tell them to search their bedrooms because they might be crazy? The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. Dylan and Robyn had fun. Dylan Klebold. I couldn't do that to my family and I admit that I would never have the guts. I recently watched the documentary Raising Adam Lanza, and, though it wasnt as detailed, there were some interesting overlaps between Adam and Dylan. And while his father was the epitome of the military asshole, having to deal with him only served to hone Eric's skills in fooling people. Here's what you need to know: 1. This is my story | Sue Klebold, (Video) Sue Klebold: My life as the mother of a Columbine killer (EXCLUSIVE) - BBC Newsnight, (Video) Chris Morris friend of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, (Video) COLUMBINE SHOOTER: DYLAN KLEBOLD'S MOTHER GIVES FIRST TV INTERVIEW ! ", "If they had even one shred of decency they would have taken full responsibility for creating and shaping and not monitoring these monsters.". Tom had a huge hobby for fixing up BMW's. Dylan was a depressed teenager with many mental issues. But she came to realize the truth was far more troubling. They believe what they want to believe. There are several bags on the floor, including a large maroon one. I didnt hear it.. Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. It's getting late; Eric looks at his watch and says it's 1:28 AM on March 15. However, most people know they are guilty as sin and should burn in hell with their son. He was fiercely independent, insisting his mother teach him how to bathe himself at the age of 5 or 6, and how to do his own laundry at age 10. I worked as a dishwasher, then busboy then waiter in a German-American restaurant years ago when I was growing up. No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. Hell, Klebold and a bunch of their friends went to the prom the weekend before the killings. I believe it was either a sibling or playmates. That doesn't mean that it's always successful. They are particularly good at it. ". The Klebolds said their son was set off by the toxic culture of the school, where athletes were worshipped and bullying was tolerated. Those kids were their responsibility legally. It is also true that environmental stimuli can make the difference between a kid with "problems" and a kid who becomes a "monster." Eric Harris was an American murderer from Wichita, Kansas. It wasnt accepted.. Tom was a geophysicist, Sue worked with handicapped people. Reviews: 81% of readers found this page helpful, Address: Suite 369 9754 Roberts Pines, West Benitaburgh, NM 69180-7958, Hobby: Worldbuilding, Shopping, Quilting, Cooking, Homebrewing, Leather crafting, Pet. . I just don't get it. It would be satisfying to blame the parents. Eric David Harris and Dylan Bennet Klebold were a pair of school shooters, bombers, and mass murderers responsible for the April 20, 1999 Columbine High School Massacre in Columbine, Colorado, which killed thirteen people and wounded 21 others before ending with both of their suicides. It was very easy to read despite being a difficult topic. Theres to me a level of skepticism we have usually of course with the scraps of info we had, but also the slight weirdness/more to it/unreliability when it came down to this particular topic, Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylans best friend. Attacks seem planned in advance, with the shooter expecting to be killed or planning to commit suicide in conjunction with the attack. VOTN, I have Cullen's book but have not yet started it. Dylan Klebold along with his friend, Eric Harris, committed the Columbine High School massacre 17 years ago. While Id argue that violent media doesnt cause people to act violently if theyre not otherwise inclined, it seems Dylan was vulnerable to the violent games and movies he consumed outside the home. This page is focused on the tragedy as well as its perpetrators so we can try to better understand the psychology and motives behind this horrific event. "American Tragedy" premieres at the Boston Film Festival on Thursday at 7 p.m. That's why Dylan got one for Christmas 99, it was Tom's way of finding something to bond with with Dylan. Hail Reb &VoDka!!!!!!!!! What a twat.
